Posts by Doug Mason

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I just noticed this little change in the NEW New World Translation

by stillin in

it always made me think when i corinthians 11 was read at the memorial, when jesus said "as often as you keep doing this..." i would think"hmmm, once a year isn't really very often, the other churches are a lot more often than us.".

great to see that they fixed that to "keep doing this.

" wouldn't want any doubts, now, would we?.

Doug Mason

Paul was the earliest writer of the books in the NT. In Galatians he writes that he learned nothing from the Jerusalem Church (James, Peter, and John) but that everything he got came to him directly from Jesus. (Presumably he had "visions".)

Paul is thus the creator of this "Last Supper" Eucharist, with its mystical "blood" and "flesh". The later Gospel writers, who had no personal experience of Jesus either, copied Paul's story, word-for-word in one case. The exception is the John Gospel, who place this "blood" and "flesh" into a totally different context; nothing to do with any "Last Supper in an upper room".

Doug

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Glaring Mistake In RNWT And Todays WT

by piztjw in

todays' wt had this sentence in one of the paragraphs....we know this because each of their individual names are indelibly written upon the 12 foundation stones of the heavenly new jerusalem.rev.

21:14.. the cross reference lists judas iscariot as one of the twelve.

so with one breath they have said judas was cursed as jesus betrayer, and yet in their rnwt they still cross reference him in the list of the twelve named foundation stones of nj.

Doug Mason

When in 367 CE, Athanasius included Revelation in his Canon of Scriptures, he did so because Emperor Constantine liked the book. But despite this, its rocky road of rejection and acceptance continued for further centuries.

Should it be included today in the NT? In practical usage, it would not matter to 99.9% of Christians if the book was dropped. It is not part of their practical Canon.

Doug

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The End 2000 Years Ago Part 2

by maccauk11 in

sign 2. the beginning of birth pangs will be; false messiahs, wars famine,earthquakes, terrors and signs from heaven.

ad 40-46 a scorceror in samaria called the great power of god acts8:9-11. ad 46-48 false prophet and magician bar jesus acts 13: 6-10. ad 50 false brothers among them.

ad57 many disguised themselves as apostles of christ.

Doug Mason

When Jesus warned his disciples about "wars" he said nothing about the size, frequency, number of casualties, many nations or few. Neither did he say whether there would be many earthquakes or few, if there would be large earthquakes or small, if there would be many casualties or none.

But he did warn them: he said "beware of deceivers". These would say that Jesus had already returned secretly or that he was in the desert. He told them that these people would say that they were The Anointed (the "Christ").

Doug

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The Predicated End Was 2000 Years Ago Part 1

by maccauk11 in

1st in a series describing how all things were fulfilled in the 1st century.

messiah told his 1st century faithful ones what was to occur in their generation, christians today mistakingly replace the "you" inthe new testamant with "us".

meaning they mistakenly presume and have been pre conditioned to think it is some future event.

Doug Mason

Endofmysteries,

While you research eschatology, one book I recommend is:

"A History of the End of the World: How the Most Controversial Book in the Bible Changed the Course of Western Civilisation", by Jonathan Kirsch.

I suggest that in your research, you include the impact of Emperor Constantine: his acceptance of one form of Christianity as his religion affected Western civilisation even more than has the book of Revelation. Naturally, Emperor Athanasius' action in 381 CE is almost as important. If these guys had not acted in the way they did, you would not have this Christian eschatology to research.

Doug

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Bible Reading Rev 7--umm hello?

by DS211 in

i got bored at the meeting and read the bible reading and could not believe some of the false prophetic garbage being commented....anyways heres what i fiund interesting ;-).

7 after this i saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, so that no wind could blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree.

2 and i saw another angel ascending from the sunrise, having a seal of the living god; and he called with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying: do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our god in their foreheads.

Doug Mason

Read the history of the early Church's attitude towards the Revelation of John. Who accepted it? Who rejected it? It took several centuries before it was (almost) universally accepted. And I mean centuries after Athanasius produced his list in 367 (which was almost 300 years after Revelation was written). And there is no indication that his Egyptian church accepted Athanasius' list.

Several Apocalypses ("Revelations") were in circulation; some Churches accepted one of the others. We know of the: Apocalypse of Peter; Coptic Apocalypse of Paul; Apocalypse of Paul; First Apocalypse of James; Second Apocalypse of James; Apocryphon of John; Sophia of Jesus; Letter of Peter to Philip; Apocalypse of Mary.

In this context, I will mention another book that includes visions, was considered by some churches as Scripture and is included in the Codex Siniaticus: and that book is "The Shepherd of Hermas".

Therefore, before relying on anything that Revelation might say, or be interpreted to say, first recognise that it was written to, for and about the period it was written in (end of the 1st century) and secondly ask: Who decided it should be included in the Canon of Scripture -- should it be in the Bible? How did it happen? When?

Doug

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The 1914 war in heaven was first announced in 1925

by Doug Mason in

in its issue of march 1, 1925, the watch tower published the leading article entitled the birth of the nation which was the first announcement that there had been war in heaven after the gentile times ended in 1914 and that the devil and his angels had been cast down to our earth.

but this was further called attention to later in the article the king in action in the issue of september 15, 1925. this ousting of the devil and his angels from heaven had its effect upon the wild beast and its kingdom here on earth.

all this was forcefully presented in the book entitled deliverance, which was released on friday, may 28, 1926, at the international convention in london, england, after the conventioners adopted a resolution entitled a testimony to the rulers of the world.

Doug Mason

The writer of Revelation says: "there was war in heaven".

My understanding of grammar is that as far as the 1st century writer was concerned, this had already happened in the past. He does not write: "I saw that there is going to be a war in heaven". For him, it had already taken place - Satan was already on earth.

Who was the "woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet"? Someone who gave birth to a son who was snatched up to God and his throne. Did he possibly mean that the woman was the nation of Israel? Certainly he was not speaking of a literal person.

Where was the desert she went to for 1260 days, after she obtained eagle's wings?

And Satan has seven heads as well as horns and crowns? If he was around, he certainly would make the TV news bulletins in Australia, I am sure.

Let's be real about this fanciful imagery and never build a belief based on it!

Doug

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Eph 1:1 - An example of eisegesis

by leaving_quietly in

eisegesis (formed from the greek preposition ?

"into" and the ending from the english word exegesis, which in turn is derived from ??

"to lead out") is the process of interpreting a text or portion of text in such a way that it introduces one's own presuppositions, agendas, or biases into and onto the text.

Doug Mason

Hi Bobcat,

Broadly speaking, scholars accept 7 letters as genuinely by Paul. Since they are placed in order of their length, this is one argument agaiinst Hebrews.

Other writings incorrectly attributed to Paul includes the Pastorals (Timothy, Titus, and 2 Thessalonians), while Peter did not write either letter attributed to him, with 2 Peter, 2 John, 3 John, Hebrews and Revelation having great difficulty being included in the NT canon.

There were any number of Gospels, Acts, and Apocalypses circulating during those early centuries, and the decisions on which to accept was made by those having allegiance to Paul. Not that there has been universal acceptance of the 27 books.

In my view, the Judaizers would have been aligned with the Jerusalem Church, which was headed by James. Paul was at odds with the Jerusalem Church, to put it mildly.

Regards,

Doug

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A personal letter

by Doug Mason in

in 1977, the wts published a 64-page booklet, "jehovah's witnesses and the question of blood".

i examined the references given in that booklet and i found that the citations were less than precise.

my study, which i completed in 1988, is still available.. at the time, i wrote to ray franz on the subject.

Doug Mason

In 1977, the WTS published a 64-page booklet, "Jehovah's Witnesses and the Question of Blood". I examined the references given in that booklet and I found that the citations were less than precise. My study, which I completed in 1988, is still available.

At the time, I wrote to Ray Franz on the subject. His response to me is available at:

http://www.jwstudies.com/Letter_from_Ray_Franz.jpg

Doug

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The 1914 war in heaven was first announced in 1925

by Doug Mason in

in its issue of march 1, 1925, the watch tower published the leading article entitled the birth of the nation which was the first announcement that there had been war in heaven after the gentile times ended in 1914 and that the devil and his angels had been cast down to our earth.

but this was further called attention to later in the article the king in action in the issue of september 15, 1925. this ousting of the devil and his angels from heaven had its effect upon the wild beast and its kingdom here on earth.

all this was forcefully presented in the book entitled deliverance, which was released on friday, may 28, 1926, at the international convention in london, england, after the conventioners adopted a resolution entitled a testimony to the rulers of the world.

Doug Mason

smiddy,

Rutherford was still teaching the 1874 Parousia in 1930.

Doug

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"Questions" written by JWs in 1976

by Doug Mason in

i seem to recall that two sets of "questions" were put out in 1976, following the failure of the 1975 prediction.. anyway, here is the scan of one that i have; hopefully others can tell me the background.. i have made it available at:.

http://www.jwstudies.com/_questions__by_jws__abt_1976_.pdf .

doug.

Doug Mason

I seem to recall that two sets of "Questions" were put out in 1976, following the failure of the 1975 prediction.

Anyway, here is the scan of one that I have; hopefully others can tell me the background.

I have made it available at:

http://www.jwstudies.com/_Questions__by_JWs__abt_1976_.pdf

Doug